1967 Family Patrol Project

[moore_rb]

Now THATS what I'm talking about....

Got it running, then got it out and commenced to enjoying it.... AWESOME

[RiverPatrol]

Excellent video. Exactly what I have been waiting to see. Thank you! The Patrol family enjoying the fruits of their labor.

Now, lets test the worthiness of the waterproof engine next time, and actually take it in the lake.

[Esteban]

Excellent video. Exactly what I have been waiting to see. Thank you! The Patrol family enjoying the fruits of their labor.

X2

Wonderful video. The commitment from the whole family is outstanding.

[faux40]

My dad sent these over -- These show THE reason why we got the Patrol!

On our way to the lake, we stopped at my folks house...


Joe takes shows his driving technique


Barritt takes a spin


Jay navigates the terrain


Thanks to all for your advice and help getting this beast running!
John

[moore_rb]

Those minutes make every hour of effort worth it, don't they...? Did any of them do any doughnuts?

My El Paso machine has nothing for back seats except the fender wells, and yet both my daughters ask me one, several, or all of the following questions every time we're in the driveway:

1) "Can we go for a ride in the green Patrol ?"
2) "Can we go for a ride in any of these Patrols?"
3) "Are you going to keep all of these Patrols?"
4) "Wait, which one of these Patrols are you going to keep?"
5) "How come you're not going to keep the green one? That's the only one you ever take us for rides in... "
6) "How come you only took us for a few rides in the red one, and then you started taking it apart?"


I love kids... Every day's a new adventure....

[miller]

My dad sent these over -- These show THE reason why we got the Patrol!

John if that doesn't make anyone want to go out and get their 60 running I dont know what will. Its inspired me to go and get to the bottom of my fuel issues. Thanks mate!

[faux40]

I thought that it was about time to post an update...

We love the Patrol and have already racked up over 130 miles in it. I wanted to drive it in the rain, but since the windshield wipers are not current connected, that wasn't going to happen! But the kids love and demand being driven to soccer practice in it. They love riding in the rear seats facing each other. It's also pretty fun having strangers wandering up and asking about it. There are no badges on it right now so it becomes a guessing game... It's also amusing to see cars angle to get closer and then accelerate to see the front and the slow to be able to see the rear. Clearly they're trying to figure it out. Also, apparently we've joined the jeep-ish 4x club. Drivers in other jeep-ish vehicles do the salute/wave as we pass.

Jay's cub scout troop has even asked to use it in the Christmas parade this year! -- Our first gig!

When we first got it on the road, the engine was running super rich and basically gassing us out. Turns out that the float was adjusted a bit too high and overflowing gas and the timing was set at 0-degrees. A little tweak on the float was all the carb needed, but the timing wouldn't move past 0-degrees. I moved the oil pump drive over 1-tooth but then it was too far the other way. Turns out that the points were not set properly and that was pushing the timing off. Clearly it's been awhile since I've adjusted points... Now, it's running pretty darn well.

I swear, I'd park the other cars if the transmission weren't such a bear! I can't count how many times I've tried to shift it into phantom fourth gear. I can downshift into second... but generally don't because it's lots of work. It doesn't mind going into first quitely when it's rolling one mile per hour or so. When stopped, it always grinds a bit going into first, but that's the benefit of not having a syncro, right?

I can't imagine a really long trip in third gear! Does anyone have a Marks 5spd they'd like to part with?

Other things -- I think it really, really needs new shocks -- That and if I were to fix the left rear shock mount and connect the shock, it would probably drive better Also, I need to make a gate to the back of the yard -- Currently I unscrew a fence section and lift it out to get the Patrol in or out... That's getting old, but I don't want to leave the Patrol out on the street... It's too special for that!

Okay, I'll admit it -- I am the one that wanted a generator... and am now in love with the alternator. I really want the Patrol to look period, but I'm also a geek at heart (and I love electronics). I'm thinking out loud here -- I'm toying with the idea of adding a fuel injection system that also controls the timing. Is that wrong? Honestly, I'd like to add these while still making it appear stock (at least to the untrained eye) and be easily removable (e.g. no... or very few, permanent modifications) in case I ever want to return to the original carb/distributor set up. Has anybody added fuel injection to the P engine?

Having fun!

John & The Family Patrol!

[moore_rb]

- I'm toying with the idea of adding a fuel injection system that also controls the timing. Is that wrong? Honestly, I'd like to add these while still making it appear stock (at least to the untrained eye) and be easily removable (e.g. no... or very few, permanent modifications) in case I ever want to return to the original carb/distributor set up. Has anybody added fuel injection to the P engine?

I've done most of the research to do a fuel injection conversion. Nobody I've found makes a one-barrel throttle body, so you would use a 2 barrel TBI throttle body conversion kit for either a chevy 250 inline 6, or a Jeep 4.2 liter inline 6.

These guys have a kit that is ready to go, and the price was the best I found:

http://www.affordable-fuel-injection.co ... t-2-7.html

Then, you would have to get a 2 barrel to one barrel adaptor to fit the 2 barrel Throttle body to your one barrel intake manifold:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/trd-2025/overview/

The rest would all be plumbing, wiring, and welding (you have to add a threaded bung to your exhaust for the O2 sensor)

Now, here's the rub (for me) with going the fuel injection route ... The cost to recover your cash investment will be measured in decades, not years- Even if the FI improves your gas mileage by 20% (which is a best case- 15% is probably more realistic) that means about an extra 40-50 miles per tank. You would need to be running at least one tank per month through the Patrol in order to pay the Fuel injection system back in 200 months...

That's why I keep blowing my fuel injection budget on more Patrols, instead...

[faux40]

Now Rob -- This was NEVER about saving money... was it? It's about pressing the start button on a super cold day and it just purrs. It's about stomping on the pedal and not getting any lag... It's because we can!

I'm interested to the MegaSquirt stuff -- Perhaps it's because not too expensive AND I like doing it the hard way! The thought of building it from scratch (albeit, with a kit) sounds like fun to me. Also, not only are the fuel tables, ignition tables, etc. user adjustable, the code itself is hackable which I think is pretty cool!

I completely agree on using throttle body injection -- The intake port arrangement makes port injection a challenge (2-siamese ports and 2 individual ports). You'd have to do some odd injector sizing or put two injectors in each of the middle intake passages. Anyway you slice it, it would be messy. Anyway, since we're not talking a race car here, I don't see that much benefit. TBI is likely just as good for all practical purposes and completely bypasses those challenges. The MegaSquirt II can control both the fuel injection and ignition while triggering from points (or the pertronix unit that I don't have yet) -- including spark advance (I'll need to remove the vac advance and pin the mechanical advance inside the distributor). Also, I think with a little pick-n-pull junk yard luck (TBI unit, fuel pump and a few sensors), I can make it work for under $500

My thought is to pick up this kit: http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/mega ... p-119.html

The rest of the stuff will be ebay/junk-yard sourced. The only "permanent" part of the install will be the fuel return line since it will require a new hole in the tank. I need to have the exhaust system redone anyway as its pretty old, rusty and likely ventilated the entire distance! I'll have an O2 bung added then (the cost of the exhaust fixes aren't included in the $500 guesstimate).

Here's the MSII system design:

MSIIsystem.gif

The remaining questions is whether or not I chicken out pulling the trigger...

John

[Esteban]

There was a guy in New Zealand that actually did the conversion with the Megasquirt, but to a P40 engine of a MQ Patrol. He reported his setup and progress in another forum, now gone. He actually showed up after 6 years of initially posting and said that reported no problems. He was going to repair the engine, since it was with some 200k miles. I send this info on an email to my brothers, so I was able to get this little info from there.

Maybe his progress is reported in some other forum.

John, if you go this route, probably will be a good idea to source a used P40 engine, and take the manifolds from it. Just about all you'll need. The manifolds are better and used a 2 barrel carburetor.

Good luck.