I just bought a Patrol

npca-zeropilot240 · Post by **npca-zeropilot240** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:14 pm

Hi peoples. I just bought a 1968 Nissan Patrol. I love it. Its a funky looking unusual 4wd. Here in the land lead by an Austrian movie star, its very tough to find parts for the thing. So unfriendly is the parts availability, I'm about to look at a 1980 Scout II with a 258cyl and T19/NP203 to use as parts. The axles are DANA 44 with 4:10's. Im wondering anyone in Patrol-Land has done this swap. The axles of both trucks seem to be about the same width... And I get disk brakes..

npca-danetteandkeith · Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:32 am

Do those axles have the offcenter pumkin to the passengers side? Is the tranny 3,4,or 5 spd? I know some of the earlier Scouts had the offcenter diff. Was wondering if the tranny/transfer might bolt up behind a Patrol's P engine? Check this site for any Patrol part you need. http://rockymountianpatrol.netfirms.com/phpbb/nfphpbb/ Keith

npca-zeropilot240 · Post by **npca-zeropilot240** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:22 pm

ALL scout II front axles have thier pumpkins on the passenger side with the rear axle pumpkin in in the middle of the axle. Its 56" wide drum to drum. The T19 is 4 speed synco'ed tranny. My Patrol three speed looks alot closer to the Ford/International T18 three speed in dimension. And it looks like it'll fit with some minor mods to the P engine. I don't know a whole lot of Nissan Patrol history, or its origins, but if the Patrol follows the lines of the other Datsun/Nissan models of the 1960's, It Should mirror Land Rover in mechanics. (I cant confirm that yet) Datsun itself in the 1960's was mearly "Austin of japan" where thier first blubirds were almost excact copies of Austin A40's.Tak (Recovered Datsun fanatic/tech, and mercedes diesel specialist)*******************************************************************************************"Some men see things as they are and say why.I dream things that never were and say why not."********************************************************************************************_________________________________________________________________Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/ca ... p?cid=3963

npca-abuelo442 · Post by **npca-abuelo442** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:23 pm

Although there was some colaboration between Austin and Nissan on the early development of some cars as you point out, luckily the Patrol doesn't resemble much the Land Rover in mechanics, and if it eventually does, the Japanese engineers did a much better job at it in every aspect: engine power, confort, suspension, handling, "anti-sway bars front and rear", turning radius, steering damper, to name a few. The sincronizer rings, unfortunatelly, are a British design, and that is the weakest link of the transmision. What I know, is that there was during some time close collaboration between International and Nissan (it was always Nissan the Company name). Esteban Tobar

npca-zeropilot240 · Post by **npca-zeropilot240** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:39 pm

Yes. In the late '70s International used Nissan SD33 turbo's in the Scout II.*******************************************************************************************"Some men see things as they are and say why.I dream things that never were and say why not."********************************************************************************************_________________________________________________________________Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm0 ... direct/01/

npca-danetteandkeith · Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:16 am

How about the earlier Scouts that had the off center pumpkins front and rear? Where they 3 or 4 spd? Keith

npca-daner · Post by **npca-daner** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:32 am

The early (61-71) Scout 80's and 800's came with Dana 27 axles, the front is offset to the left and the rear is centered. Most common was a 4:27, but some had 4;56. These axles will not hold up to a patrol engine. Around 65 International started using a small V-8, those equipped with the v-8 will have a Dana 44 rear and the 27 up front, these could be almost any gear ratio. The Scout II started around 72, I believe they had the 44 rear and a 30 front, they used drum brakes until 74, after that they went to disc front. These would be better except that International started using highway gears (3:73 and higher) to improve milage and driveability. If you have a set of disc brake equipped 4:10's, those are hard to find and would be the best setup, but I'd still frown on removing the Patrol drivetrain unless the vehicle is beyond salvaging. Removing drivetrain parts is usually a one way street, once the process is begun, there is no turning back. The other thing I'd be real careful is underestimating how much work there is on major swaps. If you think you have a good idea of what is involved, double or triple that amount of work and you'll get an idea of what is really involved. For every well done swap I've seen, there has been, I've seen 10 that were not well planned or constructed, and will consequentally sit behind someone's garage for 10 years....I know it sounds negative, but I've done several drivetrain swaps and usually come back to the conclusion that it would have been far easier(and better) to just deal with the parts issue. good luck

npca-fud · Post by **npca-fud** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:39 am

I could add a lot to this but a fair share would just be my opinion. So I will add stuff that I feel is more factual than opinion. If you compare stock vehicles side by side, a 60 series Patrol to a series LandRover. Well, the Patrol is heeps better than the Rover. Better engine, better frame, better diffs with stronger axles, better designed interior and lot's more. Who cares who copied what, the Patrol is better...and that is my opinion. Since the guy asking about conversion stuff lives in Europe and in paticular Austria he has many more options for mods/upgrades then we do in the USA. When it comes to parts to keep it running, well yes they are hard to get. Yet, they can be had and I can ship parts to Europe for you. But shipping is going to be a killer. Things like bearings and seals you can match up at large bearing/seal supply houses. Brake shoes and clutch linings can be relined at any skilled brake/clutch shop. Shocks, spark plugs and other things like electrical parts can be had locally in Austria if you are resourceful. Parts other than Nissan will work. Now since you are in Europe you have tons and tons of MQ/MK Patrols available to you. This is the model that started production in 1980 after the end of the old 60 series Patrol. And guess what!? They use alot of the same parts. For example a license plate light is exactly the same. Now since the MQ/MK's are available to you and since they used a lot of the same parts this is where your best solution lies. This being for mods/upgrades but also for parts in general. The KL60's or G60's (same thing) got a P engine and the MQ's got a P40 in some models. The P40 parts will work on the P engine, not all but some do. Any ways back to the point of mods/upgrades....you want disc brakes??? Easy, simply find an early MQ Patrol in a junkyard. it will have a C200 front diff with disc brakes. Take the knuckle from the MQ C200 diff and bolt it on the older C216 Patrol diff. You now have disc brakes on the front of your old Patrol. To make it work you need to use the C216 axles and also there is some knuckle bearing cap issues but I belive you just use the MQ knuckle bearing caps. You will also need to use the MQ master cylinder that is for front disc rear drum. This is still available from Nissan new for around $150. For a locker...if you are lucky you have a H260 rear diff. if that is the case you can mod an ARB locker designed for a GU Patrol. You now have an ARB air locker in your rear diff. If you don't have an H260 rear diff you can probily find one over there as they were put in all pick up cab Patrols and also all H models, ie G60H. An H260 LSD 3rd member will also drop into the early H260 diff for an LSD rear end. This being from the 1980's MQ/Mk's with a heavy duty rear diff that is an LSD. So as you can see you have some options.... The stock P engine can be modded a bit for more power. Electronic ignition, headers, high amp alt, Weber carb and more. This will increase power of the stock motor which is a plus. You can even fuel injection the motor for some real performance. I hear a 280Z fuel injection system will work but there is also generic kits that can be used. You can fuel inject the stock motor for well under $1000. As far as the tranny...yes Daner is right it is the weak link in the old Patrol. But, I am working on solving this problem. Since the P40 is very similar to the earlier P engine there may be some options we currently don't know about. The P40, as far as I know, uses the same bolt pattern, bell housing and so forth as the SD33. The P40 also had a 4spd and a 5spd mated to it in MQ/MK Patrols. This 4spd and this 5spd are fully synchroed, have a lower 1st gear and the 5spd has an overdrive. They are also very tuff trannies, many guys in Aus put a v8 in front of this tranny with no worries of breakage. So what I am currently working on with the help of some Aussie guys is how much work is involved in fitting a 4spd or 5spd from an MQ/MK Patrol to the older Patrol with a P engine. The size and length of these two trannies is nearly the same as the earlier 3spd. They also both use a passenger side drop and the same style of transfer case. So the only big issues here is bolt pattern, spline count and shaft length plus the mounting of the tranny. This is the info I am working to solve/clear up currently so that we can find out what you need to do to fit the MQ/Mk Patrol trannies. Really it could be fairly minor to do...such as some machining work to the shaft, using the right bell housing and clutch plus making custom mounts for the tranny, ie welding the mounts to the frame to bolt in the tranny. Now to most Patrolers in the USA this is not very useful info. This because we don't have the MQ/MK Patrol trannies readily available but for a guy in Europe who does have these available it might be useful info. Or for somebody here in the states who wants to upgrade but wants to keep it Nissan and also wants a fairly simple solution. Granted you will have to import the box but that is not very hard to do....I am importing a 86 Mk 5spd right now with a PTO attached. From bell housing to transfer to PTO, the whole 9 yards cost me under $500 plus shipping to USA. The other things is that you can swap in complete MQ/MK diffs with little work. The C200, H233 and H260 from MQ/MK's is very close in size to the earlier C216 and H260 diffs. With a bit of reworking on the spring mounts it is a done deal to swap these diffs under an old Patrol. So keep that in mind....and the MQ/MK Patrol parts are still all available unlike the early 60 series Patrol parts. making MQ/Mk swaps pretty desireable to a guy like me.... Any ways that is what I have to add about swaps/mods/upgrades.... Thanks for the plug to my site Keith! I like this link though.... www.rmp-o.com and if you search on my site you will find lot's of info, in paticular in the forum. I would also be happy to send any serious Patroller a parts book on CD which is a great help when you own and work on an old Patrol. Yes, I can even send you a CD if you live in Europe. cheers! Ian

npca-riverpatrol · Post by **npca-riverpatrol** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:53 pm

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npca-riverpatrol · Post by **npca-riverpatrol** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:55 pm

"Here in the land lead by an Austrian movie star..." Uh, I think he's referring to Schwarzenegger. That would put him roughly in California somewhere.